>>1790 I'm not Mannuwar, I just wanted to know what your qualifications were since I'd never heard of cyberfear.com before.

>>1785 >>1790 Ay, sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I was extremely busy with IRL stuff over the last few weeks and ended up putting it off for way too long, but things have finally slowed down enough to devote some real attention to this. So, for starters, would you mind going into your moderation principles a bit? I'd ask about your (implied) past janny experience as well, but if you'd prefer going over that via email, that's fine by me.

Happy New Year, /kemono/!

>>1905 happy 2025! i never had a racist uncle at the holiday family dinner meetups, but it turns out that im actually the racist uncle at the dinner table new year, same old me i guess

would you guys be interested in a /kemono/ project zomboid server? i hosted one before for /fur/, so i (kind of) know how to do it already. ill probably also post it on /fur/ just so its not completely dead (and thats where the first server began). i really just need to set up a list of mods, and decide on some config settings (which i might do a poll for). gonna try to add a few more models to my mod too

>>1920 Getting involved with retards from /fur/ is the last thing this place needs.

>>1921 eeeeh true, but i feel kinda bad for leaving them out considering thats where i first posted the server. during its stay the only people that joined were artists and there was no (meta) drama. i also was wondering if i should make the server public/visible in the browser. on the downside normies and (god forbid) soyteens could join, but on the upside the server wont be dead 99% of the time

I have no desire to play or knowledge of what Project Zomboid is, so I have no opinion. Do what you want and what you are willing to invest your time into running.

>>1923 It's a very big and complex open world sandbox game where you live in a world full of zombies, there's no specific goal or end (other than death). One of those indie magnus opum projects that has been in development for over a decade and has tons of mods.

>>1923 It's like dayz or rust except it has real survival mechanics.

JANNIES JANNIES JANNIES should i make a thread for the possible development of a /kemono/ zomboid server? i dont want to be an ass and add an unwanted thread. it would just make it easier for people to post mod suggestions and shiet

>>1932 Something like that should go in its own thread.

>>1932 Personally I'd prefer it it stayed in the /kemonodev/ thread, but I'm not very picky on that. /kemono/ doesn't have to be a collection of generals, after all.

>>1935 >>1937 well, the HNIC has spoken, so in /kemonodev/ it will be >/kemono/ doesn't have to be a collection of generals, after all. well it essentially was gonna be /kpzdg/

Having seen what AI image generation did to the kemono thread on /animu/ (and the internet at large) should it be discouraged/prohibited here? Slop is cancer for the soul.

>>2016 What would be the point even? Just hide the AI thread and you will not see them anymore.

>>2016 not really a fan of ai slop (although i sometimes may use it as a reference image), but i dont really care if we have a general as long as its kept in its thread, just ignore it like >>2017 said

>>2016 There won't be any non-AI content from now on. You're asking for the board to die.

>>2016 My position is more or less the same as >>2018 . It helps that the resident AIfag generates some of the best stuff I've seen (which admittedly is not a very high bar) and knows enough about posing and attire that he'd likely make a good drawfag if he ever went down that route.

altchan chads stay winning

>>2048 anon... I... this site also uses cloudflare, like many other altchans

>a chinese furry artist is drawing fanart of a game from the webring This is a very weird feeling.

>>2049 >this site also uses cloudflare holy cringe also whatever 4chans setup had was preventing me from completing captchas, while i had no problem posting here. also nobody could post for several hours a day or so later, which i found kinda funny. i dont know what happened on their end, but i dont think 4chan should use a service that actively discriminates against websites that host content that they dont like. which to be fair, 4chan has a lot of content that even i dont like >>2050 fortnite?

>>2051 >. also nobody could post for several hours a day or so later, which i found kinda funny. i dont know what happened on their end, but i dont think 4chan should use a service that actively discriminates against websites that host content that they dont like. which to be fair, 4chan has a lot of content that even i dont like Unfortunately gookm00t doesn't give a shit about 4chan to do anything about it. As long as money from the site keeps going into his pockets it's whatever. Also nice to see you on here.

>>2052 yeah, i dont know too much meta info about modern 4chan other than some jap con artist owns it now, and that they keep making shitty updates to "fight bots". im too impatient to wait 900 seconds to reply to a shitpost, but a script is not impatient i just think 4chan is in a precarious situation to rely on cloudflare. kiwifarms got shitcanned by them, so i dont know why 4chan would be safe. my schizo theory is that theres an agreement between 4chan, cloudflare, and the feds to keep the site up as a honeypot in exchange for money and info respectively. then again the more reasonable explanation is that kiwifarms pisses off trannies (highly overrepresented in tech) and they complained to cuckflare, even though afaik cloudflare let monkey torture sites operate at the same time anyways, as much as i hate 4chan, i still want a place to shitpost. im glad this place exists though. im technically a furry, but every furry altchan board i have been on is filled extremely degenerate (sometimes literal) shit, and sometimes that one obese schizophrenic guy who blogposted about having furry tulpas. you people (except a certain dogfucker) have been tame in comparison. that and kemono is generally more aesthetically pleasing than most furry art >>2052 >Also nice to see you on here. you from /i/?

>>2053 4chan is the kind of place that can't really be replaced by anything else, but also like 5-10% of it's entire content is shit that makes you wish you could delete people from the internet and just makes you feel worse.

>>2053 >kiwifarms got shitcanned by them, so i dont know why 4chan would be safe kiwifarms got shitcanned for messing with the wrong troon IIRC, unlike them 4jannies would instantly bend the knee and ban any further attempts if xir complained. It's generally how modern internet operates, you either keep your head low and don't push your luck, or you burn up in the talmudic inferno when (((they))) decide to engage SHUT IT DOWN mode. also the site admin gave an explanation for why this altchan uses cuckflare >>>/mg/14514 this might give you some insight.

>>2051 >fortnite? Pears o' Peteia.

>>2053 >you from /i/? Nope just occasional lurker who caught sight of the femcel drawings on here. I'm probably that anon from the zomboid server

>>2053 > i dont know why 4chan would be safe > agreement between 4chan, cloudflare, and the feds to keep the site up as a honeypot in exchange for money and info respectively To my undestanding, that's literally what happened to /b/ and by extension the rest of the site back in the 00s when moot was still in charge of it. The FBI gave him very strict orders to leave /b/ unmoderated so they could fill it with CP to "catch pedos" and have control over a wild west discussion board that depended on the goodwill of feds not to be shut down. >then again the more reasonable explanation is that kiwifarms pisses off trannies (highly overrepresented in tech) and they complained to cuckflare This also happened, yes. You can say anything on the modern internet as long as you don't touch the sacred cows of the modern civic religion (gays, trannies, niggers, etc.). I don't know if you're just having a laugh, but most major cultural forces that have happened in the last 20-25 years as the internet have grown were the direct or indirect result of alphabet agencies establishing vectors into budding communities. It happened on SomethingAfwul, on 4chan, on 8chan, on Facebook, on Twitter.

>4chan got hacked and is down you guys think it might be the end of the site, or is that just people being overdramatic? some people say it happens a lot, but ive only used that site for a few years if this is the end of an era, then damn. i have mixed feelings. on the one hand, its pretty funny the soyfags got revenge for /qa/ (to my knowledge), and the jannies are getting doxxed. every single update 4chan had only made the site worse, and they probably should have updated their back end code instead. ill miss /i/ though, since i posted there and there were schizo artists drawing furshit there too. /c/'s kemono threads were cool too. the rest of the site i dont really care about. between /ic/ crabbing and drawing porn of literally everything (including my oc), /b/ becoming just a porn dump, /k/ becoming reddit 2.0, and /bant/ being a fishtank-girl stalking, /biz/ refugee housing, pedophile board (okay maybe /bant/ was always that last one, idk), the sites kinda shit. maybe there were some boards that were good, but i didn't do much exploring my guess is that 4chan is going to be down for weeks or months as the devs go in and update everything so they dont get hacked again

>>2179 It does go down a lot, but being hacked this badly is rare. I doubt it will stay down for long because of a reason like this, even if hiroshima decides he doesn't want to run it anymore, someone else is going to buy it. 4chan users being forced to venture out to other imageboards is a very good thing. I only wish I had finished my own imageboard, what a missed opportunity to get new users to visit.

>>2180 >4chan users being forced to venture out to other imageboards is a very good thing. a good point i forgot to bring up. ive tried a few alt chans but they were usually dead (or filled with complete degenerate schizos). maybe i should go surfing the web once more now that the anon diaspora has taken to the web >>2180 >I only wish I had finished my own imageboard, what a missed opportunity to get new users to visit. the feels, you could try working on it in case 4cuck is down for a while. i managed to make a half-finished imageboard once with shitty php, but it was never intended to be more than a pet project. i imagine even with the open source imageboard codebases that moderation and cybersec would be a nightmare

>check 8chan /fur/ to see if that's where everyone went or something >see the layout I got AIDS before I could even close the tab, what the fuck did I expect

>>2225 jeeze you werent kidding. im changing that ccs theme

>hear about anthro.foo while trawling nitter for something I don't remember >check it >basically /b/ with straight furshit and no smut >somehow better than /trash/ which isn't a huge accomplishment >still too many soyjacks Might be worth keeping an eye on even if it's kind of ass.

>>2336 >tons of activity >mostly straight nice, I can live with soyjacks >SFW only, not even spoilered lewds >fags already arguing for even more strict SFW rule whyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>2341 Why does every single imageboard and every single furry website/community/board/corner ever conceived have to devolve into nothing but a porn dump? Just go to literally any of the other ones.

>>2342 The compromise we have on this board is perfect and we didn't devolve into a "porn dump", anyone who doesn't want to see porn doesn't have to. Going beyond that just reeks of mental illness or porn addiction obsession.

>>2336 thanks for sharing, it looks pretty cool. dont worry, i will stick around here too (for better or for worse) >>2341 >high activity >non-gay >(hopefully not too many but still some) soyjaks >sfw lol this seems like the perfect place for me. then again ive been called prudish by other "anthro enthusiasts" before >>2342 this >>2343 while i prefer sites to be non-gooner, i agree that this site does a pretty good job of striking a balance

>>2343 I think that it might be this way because of the slow pacing of this board (which isn't a bad thing in my opinion), and most of the anons that do stay around here aren't that interest in porn anyways. This was one of the reasons that made me stay here until now, if something is NSFW mark it as such and that's it, simple as that. >>2342 I agree, sites like e621 and alikes have a bigger focus on the media itself, while leaving less space for "discussion" (a.k.a. gooner comments about how the portraited character is a pro at taking cawks or anything like that). Threads may not be the best format to post dozens of images back-to-back anyways, idk. Saw the anthro.foo board today, the OC thread there is very active, maybe I will post there too, I saw femcel there.

>>2342 Bad money chases out good. Porn is the lowest common denominator way to make people "care" about stuff, and after a certain point the people who are totally in the grip of either pornography or chasing (you)s don't care about doing anything else. Entropy comes for us all eventually, but communities whose primary unifying pillar is the enjoyment of hot animal women leave themselves uniquely vulnerable. I poked my head into the /animu/ kemono thread yesterday and discovered it had become mostly fallow, with the latest version being the 700-post behemoth from spring of last year. But that yaoi/futa faggot is still posting there and trying to shill his own image board that he made for posting more yaoi and futa and ESL commentary on tiktok videos of VR avatars doing shitty dances. Unless you take a hardline stance against things that go against the desired vibe, you will eventually be overrun by "people" who simply want to watch or make things rot. There is no reasoning with them, and if people can't see that (either because they're libertarians or enemy actors) then you can't change their minds either. As >>2348 has mentioned, this board has struck a middle ground between quiet, old school internet vibes and modern kemono stuff without being dragged down into the muck. My thanks to the current BO for doing such a good job carrying on my intentions. I don't know if he still actively monitors threads here, but if he does: you're doing a good job, and you are a good fit for this board. God loves you.

>>2378 There was a furry thread on trashcan /y2k/ that I've seen and there is something that kept returning to my thoughts: A anon said: __ "The general culture is also much more pornified, without any pretense of modesty or chastity. You could see the beginnings of this in the 1990s and early 2000s but it was still small and the mainstream culture still attempted to hold down modesty (...). Now dominant tastemakers actively shame any questioning of open sexuality. Everything is lewder. This extends to characters of all kinds of well. Lewd character fanart of all stripes is produced, shared openly, celebrated, and very accessible. Where once porn with characters was subversive, it's downright routine today. Now add to this the reification of furries. (...). In the 1990s and early 2000s, anthro characters were still regarded by the mainstream neutrally - they could be used as cute mascots, or animated characters, or some other use that took advantage of their animal-like features. If anything, they were partially reified as being "for kids" because of their strong associations with Disney and cartoons. But you could draw a cute anthro character and have it be just that: An anthro character, or a "funny animal" as they used to be called. Thanks to two decades of semi-open furry fandom, greater Web/Internet access, all combined with a general loss of innocence mentioned above, anthro characters have reified among post-GenX people to denote "a furry" with all the connotations of the furry fandom's porniness. It's in the culture, the signposts are there, furries aren't a secret. If you draw an anthro character now, it's called a "furry" and the relationship between it and furry fandom has calcified. Anyone learning to draw anthro characters won't be learning from Warner Brothers cels, Disney stills, or mascots - they'll be learning directly from the furry fandom's considerable body of work. That in turn will influence their developing style, baking less innocent elements into their final works. (...) What I think this all means is that those who might otherwise draw the kind of "innocent" anthro that anon remembers... won't. Draw an innocent furry character and everyone'll assume you fap to fuckin' foxes anyway, and if you produce a good enough character design eventually someone else will draw them with their bits out. Put the general loss of innocence together with the reification of furries, and you have the present situation. Everything is pornier now, and furries are especially pornier because they filter out those who might kick back and try to re-innocentise them." __ Besides this board being aimed towards kemono specifically, this also applies. Although you can argue that Christianity is the 3rd bigger religion in Japan, the japanese can be generally described as being superstitious more than actually religious. The general idea of modesty (or lack thereof in the modern world) leads to the re-signification of eroticism into vulgarity, leaving the exaltation of the body in a transcendent way behind in favor of pornography. That being said, I can't be a moralist and label all characters with somewhat "big" proportions as being literal porn, but what most (at least normie) anime and manga produce are media, as the quote says, more sexualized (I mean characters created on the sole purpose of being hot). This is a complex matter because it's possible to produce this in such a way that recalls the original meaning of eroticism, in a dignified way so to speak, someone commented on Ogure Ito's work as a example of that idea. Anyways, sorry for the wall of text but I hope that you could get my idea, staying late at night leads to this types of thoughts. I'm the anon from the art thread (the one from the siamese cat oc!). I've been reconsiderating lots of things regarding my drawings and general lifestyle due to a past porn addiction, I was never religious but recently I started to study, trying to understand better Christianity and myself. Maybe I will make a small hiatus and reconsider my art and what I want it to really be, maybe having this thinking in the week of Corpus Christi is a sign... Have this picture that I saw while reading on Saint Christopher:

>>2379 I know the thread you mention, yeah. >I'm the anon from the art thread (the one from the siamese cat oc!). I've been reconsiderating lots of things regarding my drawings and general lifestyle due to a past porn addiction, I was never religious but recently I started to study, trying to understand better Christianity and myself. Maybe I will make a small hiatus and reconsider my art and what I want it to really be, maybe having this thinking in the week of Corpus Christi is a sign... Be careful not to overcorrect and veer so far away from prostitution that you end up in a cloister. It's ultimately your call to do whatever you think is right, but as a fellow artist who has struggled with this kind of thing I can tell you two important things: 1) Being horny is pretty normal, and being horny for "weird" things like animal girls is surprisingly meaningless to the average person. Anons who grew up with retarded views about sex due to either their parents or their culture (the campus rape crisis happened while I was around 20, and killed what little motivation I might have had to go out and talk to girls my age) have hangups about it, but nobody else does. The normalfags talking to each other about "twink death" are the same ones who would've been talking about celebrity cup sizes in the 90s and 00s. 2) If you decide to cut out the eroticism from your work, you will very quickly find it is almost impossible to create anything. Even non-sexual works are informed by our drive for sex, and making a character devoid of sexual characteristics is often itself a kind of perversion or fetish in the current cultural landscape. There are entire crowds of people who prefer plastic doll aesthetics in favor of the real human body (I think anime has something to do with this). Your Siamese catgirl is a very cute and good character, and it would be a shame to see less of her (and more importantly, for you to become ashamed of her) due to Puritan notions of modesty. The most important thing for any artist, anywhere, who wants to do anything, is just to do more art and then sort out the details later. God will forgive you for being down bad for animal women.

>>2381 Yeah I agree that the extreme puritanism can also be a problem, I was reflecting on that recently. I was to comment on the "balance between the two extremes", that would be somewhat cliche, but more grounded on what to aim for (with considerations for this context here). >Your Siamese catgirl is a very cute and good character Thanks! I was about to doodle something to attach to this post but I think that it's better to conclude this line of thought first When I commented on religion it's because I have some personal "demons to kill", but I won't turn this into some sort of preaching here, as I said it's just something to reflect on and writing it down helped me get this thinking more clear. Thanks for the answer, about #2, it's possible to consider also this sort of grey area between SFW and being obsessively politically correct (a "purity fetish", if you want to coin a term for it). Things considered, I came to the conclusion that I overthink things too much (-_-)

>>2383 >Things considered, I came to the conclusion that I overthink things too much (-_-) So do we all.

>>2378 >My thanks to the current BO for doing such a good job carrying on my intentions. I don't know if he still actively monitors threads here, but if he does: you're doing a good job, and you are a good fit for this board. God loves you. Oh shoot, you're still around. I wasted so much time overthinking what to say to >>2379 that I completely missed that. Thanks. That does mean a lot, even though I know I haven't really brought the place's potential out yet and that it's incredibly slow as far as boards go. I do check this place pretty regularly, but I usually don't post with my moderator tag on because I prefer just posting as an anon. Part of why I either want to pass the board on someday or at least have an active vol or two alongside me (the latter is likely more realistic for now, and would make passing the mantle on someday go more smoothly) is because there's a good chance I'll stay at a monastery for a couple days maybe once a year or so, and I really, really do not relish the idea of having to check /kemono/ while hanging out with monks. It's nothing against you guys: that just isn't the place for it. >>2379 I'll try to get back to you on some of this later. What I'll say for now is this: Don't let people tell you that drawing women with decently-sized boobs or hips (or large ones, for that matter) is "porn-brained," "coomershit," or whatever other buzzwords retards throw at you. Something I've had the misfortune of learning over the last couple years is that a lot of the people who are loudest about this are not speaking from a place of virtue, but are often fags or trannies who see this stuff as a way of taking it out on non-gays and femininity. Pretending that women who aren't flat and hipless don't exist outside pornography is not only a denial of reality and the feminine, but is itself a mindset which pushes everything outside it towards smut. Now, before I go to sleep, here be dragons: https://orthodoxartsjournal.org/sacred-art-and-the-power-of-women/ has some thoughts worth pondering in the meantime. It isn't something you should directly replicate, as you aren't making sacred art, but anime art has an inherent platonism and iconic quality to it which comes out quite strongly when you see waifufags try to articulate 2D vs 3D and end up describing Plato's theory of forms or reverse-engineering old theological or mystical concepts by accident. If bringing up platonism sounds inappropriately western here, you have to remember that anime art isn't purely Japanese in its origin, but is a very Japanese encounter of eastern and western art. The traits in anime art which western artists identify in their complaints as "symbol drawing" aren't actually flaws for the most part, but on the contrary are an extremely impressive and sophisticated marriage of qualities found in more iconic art with western techniques that have a long history of smothering or destroying them by accident. These qualities were formerly more common in various western and near eastern art traditions, but were often lost through the transition into Renaissance art (IIRC Plato had similar complaints about the Greek statuary which this later transformation drew from), and the various modernist attempts at recovering said qualities fell apart into art so idiosyncratic it became like the artist's private language or art so high that it lost its connection with the earth, both of which often became inscrutable and meaningless to most. That the Japanese pulled this off so well is, to repeat myself, extremely impressive, and our own confused relationship with it makes a little more sense when you realise we're partially encountering something from our own past which we fell away from and don't really get anymore. Please excuse me if the spergetry in the last paragraph isn't entirely clear and certain words like "iconic" strike you as a bit too vague. If it isn't obvious, it isn't something I completely get yet, and it'll likely take more studies in art history and religious iconography, artfagging, and weird observations to tease out over time. I'll tie this into something a little more relevant to your post when I'm more awake.

>>2389 >coomershit I'm 99.9% sure both "coomer" and "gooner" were invented and pushed by discord retards, trannies or not. It just feels so odd for imageboards where we just called it fapping and didn't make a big deal of it. Unsurprisingly it's most widely used on 4chan's /trash/, which is just a front for various discord cliques.

>>2390 Coomer came from a Discord clique IIRC, although it had appeared prior in a World Peace skit. Gooner, on the other hand, is much older. I don't know where the term originated from, and there's Urban Dictionary definitions for it going back to the mid-2000s, but I think the culture around it originated on Tumblr and looks like an offshoot of the sissy hypno community.

>>2389 >full potential We've got basically zero faggots, a handful of active artists, and no CP spam to speak of. You're doing great. The only thing that I take serious issue with is the guy pumping out AI slop since he used to be the anon who collected and dumped stuff made by kemono artists on twitter (and because I've started drawing a little bit for personal fun, and I've gained a much deeper appreciation for visual art and distaste for AGI). But that's his problem. >monastery Nice. I've wanted to visit one myself, but I've always thought it was kind of an all-or-nothing commitment. >icon I think what you're trying to say is that anime as a word and as a style are both strongly influenced by Western animation, and early Western animation from the rubber hose era and prior actually has a lot of similarities with modern anime (Betty Boop is the first chibi girl, perhaps?). I'm not a fan of that particular illustration by Owen Cyclops because I do think that there needs to be some craft put into a shape/painting in order for it to be spiritual or moving, but I get the point both it and you make. >>2390 >>2394 The etymology and popularity of both words derive from the "30 year old boomer" meme which was psyopped into mainstream consciousness via a Discord clique about 6-7 years ago. There was then a trend of making simulacra using the -oomer suffix because the heavy vowel sound triggers something in the ape brains of most people, and the majority of modern communication is simply trying to harness linguistic magic which they do not understand. Thus, a cynic is a doomer; an optimist is a bloomer; a romantic is a swooner, a porn addict is a coomer, and so on. This is also why words like troon(er) and gooner have become popular; they technically existed earlier as tranny + goon (meaning SA user who paid tenbux) or as in "gooning" in the hyperfetishistic sense. Words like this also serve practical purposes in evading word filters on social media, because the curry niggers who run them are actually so fucking stupid they can't identify troon as a euphemism for tranny, nor can they design LLMs to do so. But yes, word magic, it really is that simple. If you want to see this notion of words being long-lost magic symbols that we activate with our voiceboxes explored more, you must read Snow Crash. I will also tell you something that literally nobody else on the face of the internet has seen fit to mention: Snow Crash is an incredibly fun and funny read, and you will have a good time regardless of what your reason for picking it up is. I suppose most people are too busy in their quest to add books to their List of Quote Tweet Gotchas to appreciate the written word anymore.