>>96883 >>96885 As a world renowned racist, I'm only qualified to inspect cherry, and grape flavored demons. We'll have to set the blueberries free upon the unsuspecting townspeople.

I would love a balanced contract with a deem that we write together. One that is informed by trust, knowledge and little chestnuts of personality gained from living together. It would not be a massive shift in how we live. It would be an affirmation of our mutual committent to each other, and potentially our daughters. On the other hand, I would also love a completely one-sided contract which will leave me violated, milked and altogether smitten with deem. It could be written in the fine print and sprung upon me. It could be an blunt, upfront rape warrant of all the mean, lewd, nasty things she'll do to me. Every fetish exploited. Every kink teased. Demon ever increasingly smug.

I know it's memed to death and back but I do hope monster girls have culture outside of sex. I'd like to see how wight culture interprets Promethean or Icarian cautionary tales. If the undead even have a shared culture, or any cultural concept of the "end of all time" as it were.

>>96889 I assumed the undead would have whatever culture each individual had while alive? Well, to start with anyway. Maybe a new lifestyle (deathstyle?) would lead to changes out of necessity.

>>96578 What would be a good name for a Kakuen?

>>96828 Fairies wouldn't keep doing the "I've been sent to guide you" routine if men didn't keep falling for it.

>>96890 Well it's hard to share cultural messages about the end of days if you get to unlive to see it. 100% of human culture is about being alive, after all. The only time we interface with death is to handle it as a living human. When you're no longer alive, what becomes culturally and temporally relevant to you suddenly changes. Sure you might keep your old ways to start with but you'd quickly lose notions foundational to human experience like "don't speak ill of the dead" "dead men tell no tales" "the only good x is a dead x" "till death do we part" and "dying is kinda bad mkay" It's often said that meditation upon death and mortality is healthy and grounding for humans to experience. Do the undead meditate on the living? What it means to care for something that's impermanent and perishing? Sure they'll meed a guy and unlive happily ever after with him, but unless you convert his entire family then that's a bunch of inlaws you're going to watch grow old and die. It's nieces living and dying. By no means is undeath a lonely experience, after all you just create your own communities by necessity. But the dead would have to spend a fair bit of time imagining the living dying and not coming back anymore. Like, what is their Persephone myth? Their Eurydice?

>>96889 Vampires, wights and maybe pharaohs would be massive patrons of the arts. Anything they can't get from the undead realms/desert kingdom they would import from elsewhere. They'd also probably build sport facilities for like tennis or badminton - dhampirs, red caps and ghouls want physical activity. Phantoms, banshees, ghosts and dhampirs are all big personalities, so I'd expect theatre productions, symposiums, live music etc. Undead monsters from other species like sirens too. Even regular zombies need stimulation, especially as they get more mana in them and become more animate. Liches have their science thing going on, and I wouldn't be surprised if they exchanged ideas across a huge network including grems, automatons, dwarves. I don't think any other group of monsters (except maybe those autistic haku archivist and record keepers) would have a better grasp of their past than the undead. So the riches of history and what they did when they were alive is easy to learn about and easy to adapt to the stage.

>>96894 I don't dispute that they'd have some of the richest culture, pun intended. I just wonder what exactly it would comprise of. You mention history for instance, but I don't think they'd have any genuine desire to understand history. We do it to connect with our ancestors and inherit wisdom and cultures. The undead don't need that when the people of that time are literally still around. I think they'd all have collections and museums but it would come less from a desire to understand the past and more from a desire to just collect memorabilia. You can imagine a wight at an auction bidding against a historian, not because she cares about the cultural value of a shard of a fresco mural as the historian does, but because she used to sit before it when it was freshly painted, dreaming about being swept away by her one day husband.

>>96895 I do agree it would not an interaction with history that we would recognise or relate to. >As you alluded to with miss wight's fresco shard, nostalgia would be a driving factor. >Also, not even the undead remember everything about every date, nor do they experience every facet of life 10, 20, 50, 100, 1000 years ago. >Even if the people may last forever, trends and fashions and movements and events do not. >The undead who live the history will have different interpretations and views on it based off their own died experience. >There may be some push and pull between dead of differing ages. That's not even getting into how the undead kingdoms interface with the lands or migrants from the living.

Perhaps their prometian tales are told from the other perspective. Do not grant humans knowledge beyond their time or you'll end up bound and sacrificed for your effort. Do not fly too high into their world to find your fated one or you'll burn like Icarus. I imagine the tale of the sleeping princess is popular, culturally as it enforces two roles, isolation and patience, and the reward you get at the end. >>96896 not gonna lie anon it feels like you just spat out a chatGPT dot point list at me slightly reformatted to look a little like greentext.

>ChatGPT hon hon hon

>>96897 It wasn't ai generated. im sorry, i was musing on what were interesting consequences from having a society of undead monsters of differing ages and backgrounds. I wasn't going to go in to detail on any of them so I put it in a list. But you seem more interested in what fundamentally changes in how you view the world and what's relevant to you when you've already died

>>96898 She, in fact, did not but if it makes anon laugh...

>>96899 I think I was just having a schizo moment. >i was musing on what were interesting consequences from having a society of undead monsters of differing ages and backgrounds I was thinking about that, I think rather than trying to reconcile differences it's probably more likely that undead culture is geared towards wiping the slate clean so to speak. I think the only way to maintain social cohesion and intelligibility would be a kind of hard core civic nationalism. I think there are aspects of that that already exist in setting, namely how keen wights are to invite once-zombies into their social circles. They can't really afford to have too strong a sense of tradition for the reasons you outline, demographic shift isn't just in terms of ethnic make up but also generational to a scale humans have never had to worry about before. Grandma might remember a world before the internet but to be blunt he's gonna die soon so it doesn't matter. But if grandma turns into a wight and starts pumping out kids or just being socially active forever, suddenly you have to reconcile the world she matured in with the world some other wight 2 centuries later grew up in. For this reason I think it only makes sense for undead culture to have a kind of "leave your last life in the grave" sort of mentality.

>>96900 >cheshy reprograms automaton-chan to speak in dot lists of pros vs cons

>>96898 >Macaron Over rated but it's very good. If kot Café are a thing in Lescatie, I know where I want to spend my time afterwork.

>>96892 I have a doctor's note that says I need a small girl to sit on my shoulder and give me advice or I will literally die.

>>96904 Let me guess, your doctor is a small girl sitting on your shoulder telling you to hand notes to people?

>>96905 >Anon's shoulder fairy is very important >Because Anon is stupid >So, so stupid >"No, no, no! A time share is NEVER a good deal!" >"Anon, please stop eating chicken tenders and fries so often. There are many much healthier options that are not hard to prepare! I can help!" >"No, Anon, you do not have the right to slap vampires. Do not slap the vampire." >"Her name is Titania, not Titty Yana. Please do n--" <"I think it's cute. He can call me that if he wants." >"!!!"

>>96901 For the undead who were resurrected, I could believe that the slate is wiped clean. Mostly. I think it'd be sad to forget the entirety of a past life. Perhaps that is a side it is socially acceptable to talk with and explore with their husband. Otherwise, you adopt the culture of the undead society. It would be necessary to have societal cohesion. The alternative is many small cliques of undead from similar backgrounds. Maybe it is a mix of these two. I wonder who shapes this undead culture. The undead who have lived longest, or the new undead that may have new ideas? Is it shaped by the wights and vampires and high society? Phantoms drawing on the experiences of others? Bits and pieces of culture and inventions from the living kingdoms which are cherry picked? Look at vampires. They are nobility and so care deeply about their lineage and ancestry, because it is their explanation for why they are 'better' than everyone else. I think they would have a very strong sense of tradition. Generational conflict may arise when they bring home a living human, and even more so if they take an interest in his culture, his hobbies, his way of of doing things. Dhampirs would also push back against this tradition. Vampires interact with the living more frequently than other undead because of their manorial attitude and expensive tastes. This invites forces for change, new ideas, etc.

>>96907 >I think it'd be sad to forget the entirety of a past life I don't think it's about forgetting as much as it is reminiscing, rather than actively living. Like if you died fighting for a general, and it just so happens that centuries down the line that general's undead descendant or ancestor is vying for some kind of position in society, there shouldn't be that sense of loyalty brought over into undeath. At least not when dealing with broader undead society anyway. One could image that an entire castle of people, knights and nobles and commoners that gets some how magically nuked might have a very isolated, traditional, conform of leave type culture. But you could also expect them not to be a part of any larger undead network of communities because that mentality is just fundamentally incompatible. >I wonder who shapes this undead culture. I imagine it's pretty top down. The highest circles of undead all seem to be super socially active. I imagine the oldest and most powerful undead are the most novelty driven and the primary engine behind preventing stagnation, likely because they've potentially already seen it before, or they just have the broadest sense of perspective when it comes to these things. Also they're the most powerful and socially entrenched, the system wouldn't work if they were actively resisting changes coming up from below. I always imagined vampires as being somewhat separate from the broader undead population of ghouls and ghosts and zombies and wights and liches and so forth. I think it makes sense for them to be staunch traditionalists and sticks in the mud in contravention to broader undead society because vampires don't live in undead society, for the most part. Maybe they do once they find a husband and maybe relocate into undead society and learn to relax and lay back a bit. But for the most part I imagine that asides from owning castles and what not, the majority of vampires have to blend in to human society, even if it is a bit on the nose "I am Countess Eripmav" they still live with humans, and probably have so preserve their sense of selves and their sense of identity amidst changing their identity every human generation and keeping up with the times. So when they're free to be what they are, vampires, they tend to want to fully embrace every corny aspect of that, bats, big capes, cheesy monologues.

>>96908 Agree with what you say about undead. I'm imagining vampires who live amongst humans, especially in order territories, have choices to make on how obviously a vampire they are. The mask may slip at any point. Vampires can thrive even in order territory. There are some vampires who are in great positions of power and influence. Duchesses and ladies of the realm with vast amounts of land and large populations. Her rivals at court whisper about how she never seems to age, or how powerful her magic is, or those fangs that one servant swear they saw. It doesn't matter, because she is a political genius. She has influence with the king/emperor, blackmail, spies everywhere. She runs her fiefdom exceedingly well and is a huge boon to the kingdom's coffers. With her monstrous connections, she can get a sprinkle of magic here and put a well-placed monster there to supercharge her fief. More and more of her vassals become monsters or get monstrous wives. Even if her vampirism became an open secret, nobody would dare make a move against her. She makes sure about that. There are far more pressing issues to deal with than a vampire at court. Like that, she can make the lives of humans in order territory much better, further the DL's ambitions and show off to her vampiric relatives back in the undead realms.

>>96907 >For the undead who were resurrected, I could believe that the slate is wiped clean. This raises interesting possibilities. >die >become undead >remember nothing of life, have no idea who you are >just want waaaaarm >somebody plops you on a comfy chair and shows you The Nightmare Before Christmas >your new personality is now defined by whatever hazy pieces you put together from that And that's how undead culture is made

>>96906 >No, Anon, you absolutely can NOT install Windows 11 on your PC! >NO YOU DUMASS WHAT ARE YOU DOING I SAID DO NOT >it's gonna share your pornography folder with Bill Gates' daughter! >She's a danuki, Anon! >She'll harvest ALL your personal data and then sell it to a kunoichi manhunter! >Then they will both rape marry you! >Talk about getting SCREWED by big corporations!

>>96910 lorewise literal necromancy isn't bringing people back if I remember correctly, it's just jamming new souls in bodies to puppet.

Dumb anons get shrunk by their carer fairies and raped aggressively and then shrank again and full body paizuri'd

>>96909 Ehh, I get where you're going, but I think vamps better fit the "reclusive regional count" stereotype better than the "littlefinger" stereotype.

>>96909 That's an interesting idea, and it might explain why the Order seems to be so weak and not make any progress. The "human" aristocracy is filled with monsters and entire family trees have already been tainted since before the current DL. Now they work together with the mamono government to obstruct and sabotage any and all order plans, making them seem useless and ineffective to a growing monster friendly population. Stuff like disguised monster aristocracy enabling trade with countries that are friendly to monsters with the guise of commerce, but secretly turning the opinion of the population on monsters, or using job safety concerns to close down holy weapon factories.

>>96909 >snooty noblewoman with pointy ears who never seems to age Clearly the countess is an elf and the elves have long been our allies against the monsters. Plenty of people have seen her walking around in the daytime and everybody knows that vampires turn to dust in the sun.

>>96916 Makes sense, I do recall hearing that elves love licking boys necks, the sluts.

>>96909 >be vampire >live in order territory >exploit and abuse peasants because you're an Elevated Person, you can do whatever the fuck you want with those lowly humans >tax the living shit out of them >exploit them 15 hrs a day 6 days a week >sometimes you or your friends (later, daughters) can take a random man and seize him indefinitely where he will be humiliated, degraded and turned into a mindless slave >nobody notices a single difference with how they used to live before

>>96906 >Anon now has a small fairy on one shoulder and a very large fairy on the other >Normally they agree, but it's cute when they bicker

>>96914 >So we're going to your family reunion >Yes. I am expecting trouble. >Oh, right. Your older sister. The dhampir. >Her?! Hah. hahaha... no she is fine. Annoying, but fine. It is my family from the undead realms, who seldom venture outside their holdings. We... do not see eye to eye.

>>96895 >The undead don't need that when the people of that time are literally still around. Undeath is relatively uncommon, so it's more about keeping the memory of those that went to the afterlife.

>>96918 I would like to be abused and used by a vampire but they would absolutely run things better than dipshit order lords. Not least because they are monster girls who want to help humans, but also because it is a project that she can then gloat about to her rivals. How she turned a backwater into a thriving city.

>>96916 Can't be an elf. Tits too small.

>>96922 This makes me want to see the difference between a city run by a vampire and one run by a malef. Ultimately I think they'd come to have similar ideals but with different styles because one leader is being tsuntsun about it.

>>96917 Elves are lewd as all fuck.

>Sir Anon, aren't you worried that your chancellor has blue skin? <For the last time, Jeffery, it is a rare skin condition. She's allergic to paper. >And the horns? <A witch cursed her. >And the tail? And the eyes? And the evil laughs? <The black eyes are just tiredness and the tail is a fashion accessory. Look, Jeffery, she's doing a great job. And it's a stressful job too! If I were chancellor, I'd cackle maniacally as well. From time to time. Have you never tried cackling? It's good for the soul.

>>96922 Also because vampires are a lot more considerate than stupid humans. For a human, the ruler status is just something that enables them to do whatever the fuck they want o their land and lay the responsibility on their underlings. For a vampire it's like a very responsible Civilization playthrough on iron mode, you might exploit the shit out of your subjects but if you fuck up, all is ruined.

I will only accept a malef or vampire's rule if she sits on my face.

>>96912 That only applies to Skeletons which are more like bone Golems than "proper" undead.

I DEMAND EAR SCRITCHES AND HEADPATS

>>96930 Terrorist fox

I admit that a vampire ruler will be great for most humans but, there must be at least one country with minimal government and only a skeleton state and legal apparatus. I prefer to praise autocracies for their efficiency from outside their borders.

>>96915 They are highly motivated to infiltrate order society. Projects to do so are supported from the bottom to the top of monster society. Some ambitious monsters like demons would love nothing more than to become an advisor to an order king. To assist and provide support with their wisdom, their powerful magic, their vast array of connections. The goal is usually not even be to usurp or turn the kingdom into a demon realm (although that would be nice in the future), but to provide substantive improvements to the human population and slowly curb anti-monster sentiment, and to bring the kingdom into a more neutral position.

>>96931 Bank robber gote: <“THIS IS A STICKUP! PUT THE CUTE TELLER IN THE BAG AND EVERYONE GETS PRESENTS!" <"What are you doing working on your birthday, silly? Don't worry, mama has a 5090 and your favorite dinner waiting at your new home."

I POLITELY REQUEST EAR SCRITCHES AND HEADPATS

>Skeleton state IT'S ABOUT TIME. The Rib-bulic will rise. <Milk subsidies to support strong bones. <Remove restrictions on purchases of formaldehyde and bone cleaning reagents. <New joint committees for the shoulders and legs <Establish the department of internal femurs <Create the national archaeology services for lost bones <Tax on skin-care products